The Great Marijuana Myth: Is Driving High Dangerous?

A recent study finds that drivers who smoke marijuana within a few hours of driving are more likely to get into an accident than sober drivers. Find out how much more.

Marijuana plant

Last week, the British Medical Journal published a study about the effects of smoking cannabis (aka marijuana, pot, weed, Mary Jane) on driving ability. Researchers at Dalhousie University in Nova Scotia, Canada, analyzed 9 prior studies and concluded that — contrary to most pot smokers’ beliefs — driving high leads to a higher risk of car accidents.

Now, before we go any further, let’s address the elephant in the room: pot is illegal in most states. But (as we know) people smoke it regardless of what the law says. However, no matter what folks tell you, driving under the influence of any controlled substance is illegal and dangerous.

We could write endlessly about reckless driving — drinking, using a cellphone, and even driving tired all put you and others at risk — but for our purposes today, let’s focus on Dalhousie’s study and the specific dangers of smoking pot and driving.

Weed and driving effects

Turns out, drivers who smoke marijuana within a few hours of driving are almost twice as likely to get into an accident as sober drivers. And though the accident stats aren’t as bad as they are for drinking and driving, the risk is palpable.

While alcohol is still the most common accident-inducing substance, a recent survey quoted on the National Institute of Drug Abuse’s Web site found that 6.8 percent of drivers who were involved in accidents — most of whom were under 35 — tested positive for THC (the chemical found in marijuana).

Smoking weed and driving laws

Unlike testing for alcohol levels, researchers and law enforcement officials have not yet determined how to accurately test for levels of marijuana intoxication. Many states, however, have begun to take a hard line on this public safety issue and police officers are now being trained to detect signs of marijuana intoxication. And make no mistake about it: driving a motor vehicle while under the influence of drugs — including legal-use marijuana — is illegal in all states.

Get a breakdown of drugged driving laws here.

The great marijuana myth

It’s possible you’ve heard a pot aficionado state:  “I’m a better driver when I’m stoned.” Not true. A major issue with drugged driving is that when you’re high (well, not you specifically, we know you’d never do that), you don’t always realize that your judgment is impaired. This is especially true for teenagers who are already at-risk drivers. Couple this with a few hits of ganja, and the buzz can become, well, killer.

Though it varies by person, it generally takes at least 3–4 hours to come down from a high. No amount of strong coffee or greasy food is going to sober you up faster.

Drinking and driving vs. smoking weed and driving

Most of us grew up hearing “don’t drink and drive,” but not nearly as much effort was put into preventing the combination of smoking pot and driving. Yet marijuana affects reaction time, spatial sense, and perception — all of which are crucial to safe driving. So when a person is driving high, they may end up following another car too closely (and brake too late), make unsafe turns, or misjudge road hazards.

RELATED: The Drunk-Driving Debate: .05 versus .08

The fact remains: weed and driving don’t mix

In the coming years, we may see a move toward the legalization of pot. But no matter where you stand on the issue — “a need for weed” or “not for pot” — we should all be on the same page when it comes to designating a driver who abstains from ALL mind-altering substances (legal or not).

If you’re into graphs and footnotes, you can read the whole British Medical Journal study here.

Related links

Driving on drugs: stats and facts
National Institute of Drug Abuse article on drugged driving
National Institute of Drug Abuse research report on marijuana abuse
CNN reports marijuana nearly doubles the risk of collisions
Dalhousie University report

321 Responses to “The Great Marijuana Myth: Is Driving High Dangerous?”

  1. TBone
    December 16, 2012 #

    You wrote: "the National Institute of Drug Abuse’s Web site found that 6.8 percent of drivers who were involved in accidents — most of whom were under 35 — tested positive for THC"
    My response: THC can show up in drug tests for 30 days after a person smokes. This data is flawed. It should take into account that there were many of these people who simply got into an accident, maybe that they didn't cause but were only "involved in", and although THC was present in their system it in no way contributed to the person having an accident. More studies should be done to remove the the victims in accidents who didn't cause the accident from the data set. Once that is done, the study should address how many of those persons who caused the accident were actually under the influence of MJ at the time of the accident.

    You wrote: [this is] "especially true for teenagers who are already at-risk drivers"
    My response: No one is advocating for legalization for teens, this is irrelevant.

    Lastly, my uncle (a veteran, a peaceful, honorable citizen all of his life), drove nearly two million miles stoned in semi trucks. He competed in the North Carolina state wide semi truck driving competitions in the '80s (where he negotiated an obstacle course that many people could not complete in a car). He had absolutely NO accidents for his entire driving career – we still have his safe driving awards from his company with his personal effects. He quit driving mainly because once the war on drugs brought the law into the weigh stations he decided that if he could not be free to smoke when he was driving he would rather not drive. This man smoked while driving an 80,000lb vehicle for more than 20 years without even one accident. He quit driving because of laws which were created by people who are either ignorant of the truth about MJ or need for it to be illegal to protect their job; or (and this is most likely), they are BOTH ignorant AND prosecute the totally failed, unjust, unconstitutional "war on drugs".

    Read the Schaffer Report and the political climate in which it was written. That is very enlightening.

    • Stu
      December 18, 2012 #

      Thank You.

      • johnnyC
        January 2, 2013 #

        My response: THC can show up in drug tests for 30 days after a person smokes. This data is flawed. It should take into account that there were many of these people who simply got into an accident, maybe that they didn't cause but were only "involved in", and although THC was present in their system it in no way contributed to the person having an accident.

        And thats why Marijuana should never be legalized. If even an incompetent lawyer can get any dopehead off with this argument legalization of dope should not even be considered.

      • Dick Chain Knee
        Dick Chain Knee
        January 8, 2013 #

        6.8%? That's it?

        Why not focus on the causes of the 93.2% of accidents that do not involve a guy who smoked last week?

    • Loni Kolski
      Loni Kolski
      December 20, 2012 #

      Nice, well daid my friend… :-)

      • michael Daniels
        michael Daniels
        December 23, 2012 #

        While I personally having been a smoker for over 30 years am another person who states my driving is not effective at all.Saying that I am currenttly working on a quick blood prick to the finger device that will tell if a driver has smoked in the last 2 hours.Being a Marijuana caregiver and smoker.I believe if some causes a fatal crash or is driving in and out of the lines like a druck. I see no harm in having this person tested.but if a person is pulled over for a headlight being out, or seat bealt regulation the police should have no right to test them.I hope the kit I come up with lands in every police car in the world someday but its to be used proply and not to cause an all out wicht hunt on pot heads suppies of testing strips will be regulated to assure no misusess are happeing.Most drivers exspeically ones who have smoked most their adult lives are great driver and marijuana does to impire their driving skills at all.Some new medical smoker and teensmokers who should noy be smoking anyway until at least 18 or 20 mite have problems smoking while driving but really compared to drunk driving the rates of death cases are not even close enough to make a big deal of it. I New York for instance you can drive to a methadone clinic take 200 mgs of methadone and jump in your car and drive away a far more intoxicating drug then Marijuana face they facts more American smoke pot everyday than any substance and socitey has not paid with one fatal car crash were alcohol was not the main factor if the only.My testing kits will be fare to both drivers and police.The debate goes on I'm sure.

    • R Dawg
      R Dawg
      December 20, 2012 #

      Take it easy bro! First of all we need to be open minded and responsibele here. You're saying there may be victims of auto accidents that may have been included in the stats that may have tested positive for THC. Really! C'mon now, just how many "victims" do you think actually got tested and were included in this statistic? And even if what you are saying reduces the percentage by (and I'm going high here) 2%, that still leaves 4.8%. In my estimation 1% is too high and we need to address this problem. Bottom line here is NO ONE should be driving high, on ANYTHING! Now you mention your uncle who drove nearly 2 million miles STONED! Shame on him! And shame on you for trying to put him on this GOOD DRIVING pedestal. I'm sure he didn't compete in the North Carolina statewide driving competiotions while high, and if he was, I know he didn't brag about it to any official of the cometition as he would have been excluded. Stop and think about this for a while, lets say he was involved in an accident in his 80,000 lb. rig and caused a fatality. You wouldn't be bragging about your uncle right now as he would be in jail and lose his class A license for being irresponsible as he was for more than 20 years. Don't be ignorant! If a driver of ANY vehicle who was HIGH, caused one of your friends or family members to loose their life you wouldn't put them on the same pedestal you're trying to put your uncle on. That I'm sure of. I can bet you're a pot smoker, and if that is the case I hope your not smoking it "illegally" but either way at least be responsible about it and stay off the road where me, my friends and my family share the road with you. Pot is just now becoming legal in some states and I'm sure other states will legalize as well which means the statistics are only going to grow. Be smart, drive sober!! Better yet, live sober!

      • Rudy
        December 23, 2012 #

        First of all r dog, calling people ignorant because they have an opnion is a clear indication of ignorance. Every one is entitled to his or her beliefs, as for the thc were you aware that we as homosapiens have receptors in our brain to recieve thc. Its tru its a well know medical fact, ive taken several A.P classes and all state the same.Cannibus has been given a bad rap for many years despite of its benifits, it is prescribed for cancer,aids, and glacoma patients. These are severe conditions in which the cannibus helps the patients more than any other medication, wonder why? Ill tell you because its natural and intended to be used to help. When have you heard of a dr. perscribing a quart of bush to help some one, never because it has no benefit to the body alcohol is a toxin and thats why it can make you fight your family or any one that looks at you wrong. Granted not all (but most do get beer balls)get violent but the reaction to beer has no medical value what so ever, it destroys the liver the body and the heart. As for driving, people who smoke tend to be more alert as they are aware of there surroundings and mostly looking out. While we are on being aware that also is why thc is illegal because if everyone smoked instead of drank more people would see that football,nascar, basketball,baseball,and all other sports and yes im gonna say it church are ther to keep us distracted of whats really going on, its a way to keep us on opposite sides so that we do not unite as one and put a stop to all the bullshit.Now never did i say church is bad, in fact its great but we should not say that any is better than the other. It dosent matter what you call him,god,muhhamed,jesus, yaway, yoshua bentwa its all the same but we are to caught up in the diffrences to see that.Back to thc if you a smoker ask them when was the last time they got so high that they forgot what they did the night before .Now ask someone who drinks that same question.People wake up and see where we are headed look at all the bullshit happening every where school shootings mass murder this is not how we were intended to live.Just something to leave you all thinking about did you know that we have been ruled by the same family since the get go thats right!! Look up how george bush is related to juan carlos spains president, yup if you research since washington the presidential cannidate with the most royal genes has won every presidential election sad but true.The libor scandal?You all know it better as the batman shooter yeah him his dad discovered that the banks had been stealing money through a math equation as was scheduled to testify in court but now will not to help his son its not by chance people read!!!!! read!!!!!

    • Gabriel
      January 3, 2013 #

      "THC stays in the system for 30 days." "Stoned teen statistics are irrelevant because it's illegal." "Other factors have higher chances to cause accidents." None of these arguments address the main point of the article, which is that being stoned affects driving. Period.

      • Dell
        January 3, 2013 #

        Well Said.

      • R Dawg
        R Dawg
        January 3, 2013 #

        I agree. Well said Dell!!!!

      • R Dawg
        R Dawg
        January 3, 2013 #

        I meant Gabriel. Well said!!

    • Anon
      January 6, 2013 #

      If you drive drunk — not blackout hammered but reasonably sauced — you might increase your risk of having a wreck from 0.0001% to 0.00015% (all numbers are pulled out of my ass). So first of all, I think the claim that people on pot are "twice as likely" to have wrecks is a little extreme. But on the other hand, just because one person made it 20 years without an accident doesn't mean a thing. A lot of people drive sauced on a somewhat regular basis for a lot of years, hell my friend's dad in his sixties drove around on LSD when he was young and never hit anything. That doesn't mean it isn't more dangerous.

      I'm speaking as someone who has smoked a lot over the years, so I don't think this point can be disregarded easily — there needs to be some penalty for driving stoned. However, that being said, driving stoned is a damn sight better than driving drunk, so I would think it should be more along the lines of a $300 speeding ticket than a life-altering DUI conviction with possible jail time.

    • Cat402
      January 9, 2013 #

      Great comment. I wish more people understood the facts and the myths revolving around this topic.

    • Jen
      January 11, 2013 #

      Yes, thank you. I have driven "stoned" for 17 years (not every time I drive but over this course of time) and I am accident free, and have a clean DMV record. I disagree full heartedly that it is worse than drinking and driving. In fact, I don't drink and drive- I find it to be too dangerous and not worth the risk. I don't really drink anyways. More and more studies like this will start coming out I sense- in an effort to create more laws to create more revenue and disinformation. Wah.

    • Maria
      January 31, 2013 #

      Tbone person…I never make comments on news articles or any other website, but I had to take exception here. People like you make it terrifying to even be out on the road. The words "defensive driving" take on a whole new meaning for the rest of us that try to be responsible drivers, when marjiuana-defending people like yourself seem to be trying to promote driving while stoned. I have seen first hand some poor and downright dangerous maneuvers from big rig truckers… that only because of actions of other drivers, narrowly avoided resulting in a horrific collision – thanks for explaining WHY those particular truckers were driving so badly. I had my suspicions.
      It's all good until someone you love is injured or killed by a doping stoner who smoked marijuana and then decided to go for a drive. It is absolutely just as bad as DUI – the criminals who do it just get away with it. It's a disgusting habit that promotes irresponsible people and the criminal element… It's illegal for a reason. Your ignorance is disturbing… which shows why esurance had to publish an article to inform people that smoking pot and then driving is dangerous. Most of us know that. The fact that you argue it is ridiculous.

      • Jluan
        February 1, 2013 #

        Big rig truckers generally take hardcore drugs, not just marijuana. Your entire post is based on misinformation, assumptions and opinion. There are a plethora of bad drivers out there driving sober, for you to focus on the very small percentage of accidents that are correlated with marijuana (without casual evidence). I have had 2 accidents from people smashing into me driving careless, and in both cases they got a ticket- nothing more. One of them skipped court, and no capias was issued even, just a fine. Our legal system is a joke, and so are people who refuse to acknowledge that they have simply been brainwashed when it comes to marijuana.

        So if you're such a good driver, I imagine you also never eat and drive, or talk on your phone, or do your makeup, or anything else. Caffeine is a "drug"…do you drink coffee before you drive? Cigarettes are drugs that give you a nicotine high; do you complain about people who smoke cigarettes and drive? What about the many people driving on pharmaceuticals? But you are scared of the weed smokers? Laughable.

      • bill
        February 22, 2013 #

        Maria, you are the uninformed one here, do some research, not biased stats, but actual unbiased results. A buzz from pot is nowhere near as bad, or as incapacitating as alcohol intoxication. I'm speaking from personal experience. Before you call me a pot head, know this, I drank very heavy for a number of years, and I smoked for quite a few years. I do neither of those now, and I feel alcohol should be the one to be outlawed. Just the thoughts from and ex-drunk, ex-stoner.

    • bob
      February 7, 2013 #

      Yeah sure they get in accidents but they're only driving 5 MPH

  2. Goddy Benzoa
    Goddy Benzoa
    December 17, 2012 #

    If anything, this study only proves that stoned driving is a non issue. Twice as many chances? Eating and driving carries 5 times the risk. Having your brat throw a tantrum in the back raises it to 9 times the risk.
    I saw some joker doing the crosswords while driving. The only time pot will lead to a wreck is if some idiot is trying to smoke their bong while driving.

    • Loni Kolski
      Loni Kolski
      December 20, 2012 #

      Dead on :-)

  3. NormanLake
    December 17, 2012 #

    America is a medicated society. ANY given pharmaceutical medication could cause the same loss of attention span as marihuana., so that is not the issue., rather the wisdom of driving under ANY influence, even rage, or stress…

    • Loni Kolski
      Loni Kolski
      December 20, 2012 #

      YES! Agreed!!

  4. Tom Owens
    Tom Owens
    December 18, 2012 #

    Lost a couple of friends, years ago. They were stoners and made dumb mistakes. I could have died as well several times., but was lucky.

  5. Mike smith
    Mike smith
    December 18, 2012 #

    Pot causes one to do silly things while driving.Like eating or taking ones eyes off of the road to read something or to answer an in coming call on a cell phone.
    You've heard the phrase having your head up your ass.
    I know of two deaths in as many years where the driver who caused the accident is and was
    A long time pot smoker and in both "accidents" the drivers did something silly.
    There are hundreds of accidents where the people involved were never tested for weed only alcohol.

    • Tony
      December 26, 2012 #

      We already have idiots that take their eyes of the road or road text that aren't smokers, so should we ban ignorant people from driving also?

      • Charley Machine
        Charley Machine
        January 5, 2013 #

        Smokin' weed always made me more alerted cause my eyes were peeled for the policemans… Reliable? I had a $50 a day habit & never missed a payment! (Apologies to Richard Pryor)

  6. DeAnna. Stanley
    DeAnna. Stanley
    December 18, 2012 #

    This study is a major fail. I could have smoked weeks ago, get in a wreck today and test postive for THC. At the time of he wreck I was sober, but of course your test would count me as "mind alterted" also, if you have had done or researched anything on marijuana you would know it increasea the attentiveness of those who are otherwise anxious and nervous while driving.

    • Loni Kolski
      Loni Kolski
      December 20, 2012 #

      Agreed, Lovin the comments!! :-)

  7. Raymond
    December 18, 2012 #

    It's obvious that the author is just againts pot in general; and I'm a non smoker. You have a better chance of an accident while under the influence of marijuana over a sober person? well DUH, I would think that would go for everything else. Like texting, eating, ANYTHING.

    • wxp
      December 19, 2012 #

      hmm, i did not pick up that jessica was against pot in general. but i do agree with you that anything, including pot, putting on makeup, texting, etal, will increase the odds for an accident.

    • Loni Kolski
      Loni Kolski
      December 20, 2012 #


  8. eric
    December 19, 2012 #

    I think what this article has missed is to compare other driving habbits as well.
    so with 6.8 percent of all accidents with a positive test for thc (witch we do not know if the person was stoned at the time) seems to me a small number.
    Another question, what is the percentage in fatal accidents.
    and finally say these persons under the influence of pot were changing the radio station. or texting.
    So they were high but it wasn't the impairment, but the distraction from the road that happens to everyone.

  9. George
    December 19, 2012 #

    Drinking a beer then driving is safe for most people. Take a hit of pot then drive, probably the same. Some people don't stop at one, do you want to be one of their victims. I don't think the country needs another mind altering drug legalized especially if some people can't self moderate.

    • don
      December 28, 2012 #

      Because having it be illegal has stopped people from using it? Prohibition = impossible.

  10. Terry
    December 19, 2012 #

    I smoked and drove when I was younger.I recall "zoning" out on occasion,if only for a few seconds.If you enjoy gettin' a buzz,do it and designate a driver.Trust me kids(I'm 57),just be responsible.

  11. Pheez
    December 20, 2012 #

    An "article" from an auto insurance company found another reason to spike rates? Like, noooooo way. Love the "facts" in the article. This is indisputable, well, at least once heresay becomes accepted fact.

  12. Gator Mann
    Gator Mann
    December 21, 2012 #

    This so called research was done by a car insurance company. The same industry who forces auto drivers to wear seat belts, while letting motorcycle riders ride helmet free (if they buy special insurance). That's true about THC lingering about a month on fatty cells.
    Also the if you stop smoking, in 30 days you'll be "clean" is a myth. That time frame is for the occasional smoker (3 numbers a week). The daily smoker (2 or more numbers a day) will have a much longer wait to "clean out". The more THC hooked to your fatty cells the longer for them to exit your body. Bottom line here, we need more "time oriented" tests, like the breath-a-lizer does to booze. Just because a body test positive for THC, doesn't mean the person is buzzed right now. I think these research people may of smoked a leftty while coming up w/this nonsense!

  13. Scarr
    December 21, 2012 #

    That's funny, not long ago I read a SCIENTIFIC report stating that people who are high on Marijuana drive safer than people who are not. I tend to believe science over opinions and slanted facts.

    • Scarr
      December 21, 2012 #

      And 3-4 hours before coming down? Where are people getting that quality? I've never heard of anyone being high for more than an hour or so, unless they're on hallucinogens, which really are deadly behind the wheel (and people do it, too).

      • brando
        January 4, 2013 #

        Never heard of anyone being high for more than an hour? You must not know where to get the good stuff. With good stuff, 4 hours can be lowballing it.

  14. tramky
    December 23, 2012 #

    I have driven a car while under the influence of alcohol maybe 3-4 times in my life, and each time, in my admittedly biased opinion, I got through the process in good shape without losing control or causing–or being involved in–any accident at all.

    The ONE time I drove a car while under the influence of marijuana was, beyond any doubt, the scariest occasion of my entire life while behind the wheel. At 30 mph I could NOT keep that car on my side of the duoble-yellow line. I simply could not manage it. And I was yammering away to the one passenger with me all the while. I had the presence of mind to pull over to the curb, turn off the engine, and sit there for a few minutes, trying to pull myself together.

    After 5 minutes or so, I started driving again, exerting the greatest level of willpower and conscious thinking to the act of driving that car. I managed to do a pretty good job, but it was a struggle. Too much of a struggle. Got home safely that time, and NEVER smoked marijuana again–that was 36 years ago. Just far too scary.

    As for the potheads here and their apologists, the stories about stoners being wonderful drivers, driving trucks for years, and all that crap–don't believe ANY of it for one minute. It is a LIE!

    • thisguy
      December 29, 2012 #

      You're simply a bad driver, or not familiar with toking. Don't think you're own firsthand experience changes the capabilities of other drivers. People can be different from one another, you know.

    • KaolinSlate
      January 2, 2013 #

      So let me guess you drink often and only smoked pot once. Do you have any concept of tolerance?

    • D
      February 13, 2013 #

      Your an idiot. Just like alcohol everyone has different tolerances. Obviously your first time smoking. Anxiety was the cause of your unfortunate experience. Maybe if you werent influenced by regans regime you might have an open mind. I hate people who have no idea what b.s. is coming out of their illiterate mouth. People have been smoking weed for hundreds of years. And still alcohol beats every statistic. Quit being blind and influenced by stupid politicians. And the population who has been brainwashed from political propaganda . Get real u.s. even painkillers and other man made drugs affect people more than thc.

  15. Dr
    December 23, 2012 #

    If you can't take a rip and drive safe then you shouldn't be smoking. Your really screwing it up for all the responsible par takers. PS it would get this economy turned around quickly. Legalize it and tax it and it will be tobacco's sequel

  16. Catch22!
    December 23, 2012 #

    The article also got it wrong on testing. There is a blood test for THC. If you are suspected of driving while high, they will hall your ass in and do a blood test. It only picks up levels of use for a few hours.,d.aWM

  17. big D
    big D
    December 23, 2012 #

    I just wanna say I smoke and drive high all the time multiple times a day..

    accident free!

  18. Jganga
    December 24, 2012 #

    Is she stupid? I mean no offense, it stays in your system for 30 days. ,so perhaps I smoke aa joint blunts and a few bong hits monday .now Friday I go driving,no smoking ,and I get into a accident. Of course I'm going to have thc in my system -___- I just smoked the beginning of the week .does that mean that I smoked befor I went driving because I have thc in my system? ? No scooby…it's idiots like you who spread false information,lies,and bullshit half ass studies because you want it illegal or whatever b.s reason you have…you're. An idiot .all offense :p

  19. Jango Davis
    Jango Davis
    December 24, 2012 #

    NROMAL, of course, has an excellent repsonse to these "studies."

    • brando
      January 4, 2013 #

      In fairness, NORML ( National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws ) has just as much reason to be bias as eSurance does on this particular issue. Back on topic, I used to drive high everytime I drove multiple times a day for more than 4 years and I was involved in 2 accidents. Guess what. Neither of these accidents were my fault. Instead they were caused by completely sober people not paying attention. My step mother on the other hand, the you-know-what that she is, has been involved in numerous at-fault accidents and she is the most straight edge person you could ever meet. Honestly I'm not sure why she still has a license to operate a motor vehicle. Having said all of that, please do not think I'm advocating that anyone should or shouldn't smoke before they drive for everyone reacts to substances differently. What doesn't work for one person may be the only way it can be done for another.

  20. rev gary
    rev gary
    December 24, 2012 #

    This article has one main purpose-its an insurance commercial. The data is skewed and it was a waste of time to read. Personally, I feel pot should be decriminalized. If a driver fails a mouth swab, fine, charge them with DUI. But urine and hair tests for cannibis are a joke. I once failed a urine test after TWO MONTHS of sobriety. And yet, if I had been tested for most other drugs, a few days would sufficed to pass. I would much prefer to deal with a stoner than a drunk ANY day of the week. And as an ordained minister, if pot was legal, yes, I would smoke or ingest it for my meditation. Afterall, its a product of nature. Its natural. God made it and I trust him.

    • Juan Lopez
      Juan Lopez
      December 28, 2012 #

      Good for you man, seriously, good for you.

      • carol jacks
        carol jacks
        February 16, 2013 #

        God made hemlock, too.